tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post617534877125471765..comments2024-03-22T12:11:58.453-06:00Comments on Michael Offutt: Was Mace Windu More Powerful Than Yoda?Michael Offutt, Phantom Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10557969104886174930noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-78111660406218037022017-04-21T20:54:34.912-06:002017-04-21T20:54:34.912-06:00I love Mace but the sith are trickster as fuck. Pa...I love Mace but the sith are trickster as fuck. Palpatine not only drew young Anakin in but also caused the orchestration of the fall of the Jedi through the death of Windu. Mr. Leon has some good points in these comments.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10736377859031557683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-46237941900698686752016-07-21T00:56:05.667-06:002016-07-21T00:56:05.667-06:00Darth mal survives his fall in (the comic or book ...Darth mal survives his fall in (the comic or book I don't remember which) so it isn't unprecedented if mace does end up having survived his fall Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18347981946396097460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-63520104302080021592013-08-12T03:58:21.847-06:002013-08-12T03:58:21.847-06:00@ Micheal
I have not heard about Mr. Jackson'...@ Micheal<br /><br />I have not heard about Mr. Jackson's desires, though I doubt that Mace could've survived long if he survived his fall at all. Yes he was not outright killed, but he also fell from an incredibly high tower built on a planet that is esentially a city built on a city, ontop of yet another city, and so on for miles and miles until you actually reach the planet itself. Assuming he survived the fall, he would've suffered extreme pain, probably broken almost every bone in his body, and without his hands it would've been unlikely that he would've been able to push himself back up to his feet even if he had his bones left.<br /><br />And your compliment is most appreciated. ^.^ Most people tell me that I'm way too into this kind of stuff if I can give essays on it. And in case you or anyone else needs a reminder:<br /><br />the 7 lightsaber forms are<br /><br />Shii-Cho - form one - the most basic and balanced form trademarked by wide sweeping motions. Famous practitioner is Kit Fisto.<br /><br />Mashiki - Form two - think like a fencer, the smallest movements possible and mostly for attacks. Famous practitioner would be Count Dooku (I am not good at spelling?)<br /><br />Soresu - form three - Almost exclusively defensive technique trademarked by small movements to block blows with minimal effort. Famous practitioner is Obi-Wan Kenobi.<br /><br />Shien / Djiem-So - Form four - Interestingly enough there are the two varients of this form. The former, Shien, is focused on counteracting blasters, and the second is more suited for lightsabers. Both are effective at the other's job, but slightly different, uses the opponent's strikes to bounce back into an attack. Our beloved Anakin and Luke Skywalker both used the Djiem-So varient.<br /><br />Ataru - form five - The acrobatic form most noticed for the inclusion of force jumps and spins as often as saber strokes. Yoda preferred this form.<br /><br />Nimien - Form six - Considered to be the diplomat's form, Nimian is essentially what the owner makes of it. When it's not really any of the traditional forms, it kinda belongs in this category, a lot of mix matched styles, trying to balance the form (unlike how the others have their weaknesses). I can't think of any major practitioners, but the form's generalization means pretty much everyone could fit in here at some point.<br /><br />Joyo / Vappad - Form seven - Again, a form with two varients. Joyo is a highly aggressive form, on the move, the offensive, eyes on the prize, whatever phrase you want. Most Sith would use this form, and if im not mistaken, when Qui Gon and Maul first fight on Tatooine, the sith lord uses a style similar to this one in theory.<br /><br />Now Vappad is the same, using the darkness inside to unleash total destructive powers, but focus and not like a sith's rampaging emotions. Using the darkness without being part of it. Mace created the form, and tought it to one other, who was corrupted by his darkness. Mace was the only one to ever master the form, to the point of becoming a flurry of attacks from every angle, even unarmed.<br /><br /><br />I know that was off topic, but it was good to get feedback on my analysis, I thought I would put as much of your research needs in one spot. Last tidbit of information you might like: Aside from the varients on the lightsaber itself, the only interesting form of actual combat seen in the movies is Jar'Kai, or fighting with two lightsabers at once. Anakin uses this style in the second movie, Grevious used an altered version (seeing as he had four arms), and numerous jedi throughout the original and expanded universe utilized Jar'Kai at one point or another (Luke, Obi-Wan, etc.) that we haven't seen. <br /><br />I hope that helps you somewhat,and I'm sorry for rambling and being off topic. It happens when I start talking about things. ^^"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00950154204998122181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-28633740958591574862013-08-11T14:17:22.851-06:002013-08-11T14:17:22.851-06:00@Mitchell: Outstanding analysis. Have you heard th...@Mitchell: Outstanding analysis. Have you heard that Samuel L. Jackson wants to be in the new Star Wars films? He says, "Mace didn't technically die. He fell out the window with both hands cut off. But he's not technically dead!"<br /><br />I started to research Vappad style. The idea of different lightsaber fighting techniques never occurred to me. Supposedly, one of my favorite Jedi Masters, Luminara Undulee, is incredible with the lightsaber too.Michael Offutt, Phantom Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557969104886174930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-50529877187488091462013-08-11T13:47:22.797-06:002013-08-11T13:47:22.797-06:00Alright fellow fans, here's my little piece on...Alright fellow fans, here's my little piece on Mace and Yoda in comparison to one another.<br /><br />Yoda supposedly understood how to use all 7 of the main lightsaber forms, but shows mastery over Ataru with his spins and flips to increase his ability to fight despite his small size. Numerous times he also proves that he has a high level of control over the force, being able to absorb and redirect force lightning with his bare hands (a feat rarely seen in even the most powerful jedi, the only other one that comes to mind is from the EU, and exceptionally powerful in his own right). In his fight with Palpatine, he seems to struggle seeing as the two combatants are fighting with all their powers, and neither one is anything short of amazing.<br /><br />Mace on the other hand, shows not nearly the same level of force control, but makes up for it by being well regarded as the strongest lightsaber combatant in the council (short of Yoda perhaps). He also understands the basics of most of the forms, but uses his own varient of the 7th, called Vappad (spelling subject to error) which uses his inner darkness to be able to strike almost from every angle at once. Only two ever learned the form, but only he could master it. In HIS duel with the soon to be Emperor, he was more than a match for the sith lord's saber skills on a single 1x1 basis.<br /><br />BOTH were Grand Jedi Masters, the highest rank. Nothing short of each other's equals if they decided to fight, though no doubt Yoda would hold back (seeing as he has never been one to fight except when need be). So in the end, my thoughts are that Yoda is stronger in the force, Mace is a stronger lightsaber combatant, but Yoda's saber skills WITH his force powers make him overall stronger.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00950154204998122181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-29203272971810486032013-06-04T03:11:30.105-06:002013-06-04T03:11:30.105-06:00Interesting points, Frank. Thanks for visiting.Interesting points, Frank. Thanks for visiting.Michael Offutt, Phantom Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557969104886174930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-41699768871979772062013-06-03T10:33:47.998-06:002013-06-03T10:33:47.998-06:00Apparently nobody was paying attention to the movi...Apparently nobody was paying attention to the movies or cartoon everyone who fought yoda ran from him he overpowered both sidious and dooku when they clashed with the lightsabers or clashed with electricity and yoda countered sidious with his bare hands when sidious saw both of these things he ran and started throwing shit at him like a bitch so you tell me who was more powerful like yoda said to him if so powerful you are why run those were his exact words sidious didn't want to fight yoda he fought windu and wasn't afraid of him even tho windu did win sidious didn't allow him to win windu kick and disarmed him and countered his electricity and the reason why yoda didn't beat him fast cause sidious had room to run unlike his battle with windu so yoda was the most powerful of all jedi or sith none wanted to face yoda so it's obvious he was badass for being like 3 feet tall you have to respect himAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731409510848813411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-41444825091479428542013-06-03T10:21:32.396-06:002013-06-03T10:21:32.396-06:00Apparently nobody was paying attention to the movi...Apparently nobody was paying attention to the movies cause everyone ran from yoda count dooku and sidious he countered the electricity with his bare hands no jedi did that in any movie or cartoon and windu did beat sidious they were fighting seriously he used his electricity that's pretty serious if you ask me windu kick him and disarmed him windu was pretty bad ass and the fight could've been better if anakin and sidious would've fought windu that would've been cool maybe the best battle of all and it was stupid that obi wan was able to keep up with anakin when he couldn't even last 2 minutes against dooku and anakin beat him with ease so yoda was the most powerful of all jedi or sithAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731409510848813411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-43164847174897338582012-11-15T11:22:05.688-07:002012-11-15T11:22:05.688-07:00Nothing from the first three episodes counts.Nothing from the first three episodes counts.Matthew MacNishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03264738483763244969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-56565139708136091782011-05-10T11:49:20.944-06:002011-05-10T11:49:20.944-06:00Why does it matter?
m not sure because he DID use...Why does it matter?<br /><br /><i>m not sure because he DID use his skills to teach more than to fight... makes me think of the Michael Jackson song "The Girl is Mine" where Paul McCartney says "I'm a lover, not a fighter" which is kinda the attitude Yoda had. He was just so Buddhist and pacifist when it came to fighting. </i><br /><br /><br />That was in the OT. Yoda had no problem being the aggressor in AOTC and ROTS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-56729027554850990332011-05-10T11:47:56.714-06:002011-05-10T11:47:56.714-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-8481518119443670752011-04-07T21:17:15.334-06:002011-04-07T21:17:15.334-06:00Wow. I was going to comment but looks like all my ...Wow. I was going to comment but looks like all my ideas were taken already. I think I heard an interview years ago that Mace was supposed to be second to Yoda on the ass kickery scale of Jedi warriors.Rusty Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09887821877521181811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-71045030056696306772011-04-07T19:40:33.432-06:002011-04-07T19:40:33.432-06:00My two smallest boys live for the friday night car...My two smallest boys live for the friday night cartoons. Of course, we record and watch on Saturday morning. They LOVE them. As for yoda, he's my fave, but my boys might argue.Ciarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15628488753277495111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-47534848011888550572011-04-07T19:20:09.916-06:002011-04-07T19:20:09.916-06:00Oh...have you stirred up a Star Wars discussion in...Oh...have you stirred up a Star Wars discussion in my house. I don't think the topic will be changed for hours. It has been decided that Yoda the master in which all others are measured.raisingmarshmallowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11042942174027281627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-12116784155545540472011-04-07T14:45:36.531-06:002011-04-07T14:45:36.531-06:00Here's my two cents: nobody was more powerful ...Here's my two cents: nobody was more powerful than Yoda! :-)Shannon O'Donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17299313309059235876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-81166051894897064202011-04-07T13:57:49.985-06:002011-04-07T13:57:49.985-06:00The newest movies are abominations. They give the...The newest movies are abominations. They give the originals plot holes they never had.Chris Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02638226375639228988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-83264893730438519422011-04-07T12:20:44.383-06:002011-04-07T12:20:44.383-06:00While I appreciate the time you've put into th...While I appreciate the time you've put into these observations, but I can't take much stock in the prequels. Between stilted language, plot holes, unnecessary characters, and....<br /><br />who the heck makes a life on a lava planet that has a self destruct button?<br /><br />And did Anakin really make a believable transition from good to bad?<br /><br />Don't get me started.Theresa Milsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03477761307315565259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-28567380119135133542011-04-07T11:59:38.054-06:002011-04-07T11:59:38.054-06:00Thank you everyone for bringing up such interestin...Thank you everyone for bringing up such interesting points.Michael Offutt, Phantom Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557969104886174930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-85054706796910400612011-04-07T11:24:17.665-06:002011-04-07T11:24:17.665-06:00I don't know much about Star Wars, so I can...I don't know much about Star Wars, so I can't really say . . . but I did want to stop by and thank you for commenting on my blog!Golden Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08721520451194318436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-50188012198710260442011-04-07T11:23:49.101-06:002011-04-07T11:23:49.101-06:00I don't understand what you mean. There are on...I don't understand what you mean. There are only three star wars films and nobody called Mace appears in any of them. And that's that.<br /><br />Now let's not speak of it again.mooderinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523337588830695638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-71582053875003143602011-04-07T11:12:33.474-06:002011-04-07T11:12:33.474-06:00Oh, and I actually have to disagree about them bot...Oh, and I actually have to disagree about them both being old. Palpatine is, probably, 50ish, and, by today's standards, that's not old. In the Old Republic, a civilization at the height of technology, I'm sure 50 is hardly old. Yoda, on the other hand, is over 900.<br /><br />I, also, think that Palpatine allowed the withering effect to happen to gain sympathy in the senate. He did make a point of it, after.<br /><br />I don't see any discrepancy in Yoda being a teacher/pacifist and being the best fighter, either. We see it in martial arts movies all the time. The aged teacher that never fights but, then, suddenly, kicks everyone's butts. It goes with the idea of not having to fight because you can.<br /><br />http://strangepegs.blogspot.com/Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-41312472331179044642011-04-07T11:02:03.877-06:002011-04-07T11:02:03.877-06:00Mike, great points you bring up. I love this topi...Mike, great points you bring up. I love this topic. :) I agree with Andrew though that the loss was more of a lure to seduce Anakin. I know that as EJ says Yoda is purportedly the best. I'm not sure because he DID use his skills to teach more than to fight... makes me think of the Michael Jackson song "The Girl is Mine" where Paul McCartney says "I'm a lover, not a fighter" which is kinda the attitude Yoda had. He was just so Buddhist and pacifist when it came to fighting. Who knows if or how much he was holding back.<br />p.s., in point 2, you should have said "They're both old men." rather than Their both old men."<br />;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01644181736452678376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-17191184959048764592011-04-07T08:51:18.152-06:002011-04-07T08:51:18.152-06:00According to the movie lore, Yoda is the best. Per...According to the movie lore, Yoda is the best. Period. In Attack of the Clones, it's Yoda's skill with a lightsaber that Obi-Wan compares Anaking to, not Mace. Palpatine went down against Mace on purpose. He needed Anakin to take that step over the line, to come to his defense, so he begged and pleaded so that Anakin could see that Mace was about to strike down a "helpless" victim, something that Anakin had an issue with after he did the same to Dooku. The Sith manipulate; it's just what they do.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-46840308247894252702011-04-07T08:30:59.632-06:002011-04-07T08:30:59.632-06:00This is the kind of serious discussion that draws ...This is the kind of serious discussion that draws me in! :-) I love Mace, and he definitely comes off as slightly more badass than Yoda in the films and cartoon. However, I have to side with RM on this one. Yoda was a teacher that could hold his own in a fight. Mace was a fighter who could teach.<br /><br />At least that's the way I choose to view it. Good stuff!<br /><br />EJAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273059558675234923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-58281919950844876872011-04-07T08:22:45.782-06:002011-04-07T08:22:45.782-06:00I don't know. I just think having Yoda fight ...I don't know. I just think having Yoda fight was a terrible idea. He was a teacher, not a fighter. The Windu duel was kind of lame once it got to the emperor using the force lightning and it burning his face. That was so contrived. I mean the regular Star Wars movies take place what 25 years later so we didn't need an explanation for why the emperor looks older--he was older! And running a whole galaxy would take a lot out of you; have you ever seen before and after pictures of presidents? You can see it right now with Obama; his hair is going gray from all the stress. So there was a simple explanation for all the dorky fanboys who needed one. Far less contrived.<br /><br />And I would have liked to see Anakin have more of a fight with Windu--and more of a fight with Jedi besides Obi-Wan, which itself wasn't even that good. The end of it was so disappointing. He tries to jump and gets his legs cut off? Really? That's how it ends? Lame. I had imagined much better scenarios. I'm just saying.<br /><br />I played the "Clone Wars lightsaber duels" game for the Wii recently. It was about as disappointing as the movies. Having to use the "nunchuck" to move around meant you couldn't really use the remote like a lightsaber. Though the Jedi hunter droid was pretty sweet. I kicked Windu's ass with it, but for some reason they didn't have Yoda in the game.PT Dillowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09394481476862013009noreply@blogger.com