tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post2146716626010460555..comments2024-03-22T12:11:58.453-06:00Comments on Michael Offutt: Envisioning 15 ways to change up fantasy fictionMichael Offutt, Phantom Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10557969104886174930noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-8615018835697257252012-03-19T19:12:56.902-06:002012-03-19T19:12:56.902-06:00Ha! I have to disagree with the rapist one. I th...Ha! I have to disagree with the rapist one. I think woman could use their superpowers for evil, but that's just against our nature. And I'm sorry to say, knights were white men, and honestly, they can have it. Didn't those guys fight in the Crusades? Who wants credit for perpetuating the dark ages and bringing down science in the Muslim world. They were kind of jerks.Theresa Milsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03477761307315565259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-70065178232040265702012-03-17T00:06:46.692-06:002012-03-17T00:06:46.692-06:00This is a brilliant list. Yes, to everything!This is a brilliant list. Yes, to everything!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12314617048592538691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-67311883572430471142012-03-16T08:04:30.196-06:002012-03-16T08:04:30.196-06:00LOVED this rant! Thank you. Although my current MS...LOVED this rant! Thank you. Although my current MS has a sworswoman as my MC, I think it would be fun to write about a magic society where sword-bashers are shunned, dwarves are intellectuals, and elves are fat . . .possibly wearing togas. Your rant is inspiration for creativity . . and I agree 1,000 word novels are overdone, clunky, and out of date.Tyrean Martinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15356604721537744361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-23452195230790719452012-03-16T07:15:27.348-06:002012-03-16T07:15:27.348-06:00Missed this earlier, been a little out of touch wi...Missed this earlier, been a little out of touch with my 'horse crisis'.<br /><br />Love your list. I'm especially with you on 2,7,12 and 14.<br /><br />My Far Away Series has a male healer #10. Glad to hear that I broke out of the norm. Ha!farawayeyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17578277501054242356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-50379406962895841052012-03-15T23:00:04.197-06:002012-03-15T23:00:04.197-06:00I'm no writer but I loved number seven. And it...I'm no writer but I loved number seven. And it's so true. That and number 11 some crime writers do so brilliantly. Example Karin slaughter and Patricia cornwell.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02530886181437955643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-88753680073015279262012-03-15T14:11:40.502-06:002012-03-15T14:11:40.502-06:00everything I read the bad guys always lose and the...everything I read the bad guys always lose and the good guys always get the beautiful woman who was waiting the whole time for her prince. I wouldn't waste my time reading fantasy.<br />I am your newest follower..pls follow back if you can.<br />i need more male perspective.momto8https://www.blogger.com/profile/13964950285763339907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-34217477329139323482012-03-15T09:53:42.960-06:002012-03-15T09:53:42.960-06:00Hahahahahaha I reaaaaally think you're going t...Hahahahahaha I reaaaaally think you're going to love the Doorways series. I had fun doing a lot of those things that you suggested. <br /><br />:-DMisha Gerrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06364173848456424521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-31149992004458913152012-03-15T07:24:19.394-06:002012-03-15T07:24:19.394-06:00I agree with every single point. I even agree with...I agree with every single point. I even agree with the knights being princes comment, although I may be a little guilty of that one ().<br /><br />In my WIP two of my characters are princes at the beginning, but they don't stay that way for long.<br /><br />Anyways nice to meet you. As hello gift you've been tagged in the Lucky 7 meme. Details are here:<br />http://sorchanr.blogspot.com/2012/03/hi-there-nick-wilford-me-in-lucky-7.htmlSorchahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11308502118414092750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-54771062497490537572012-03-15T00:33:38.402-06:002012-03-15T00:33:38.402-06:00#8 with the magical contraception is hilarious!
I...#8 with the magical contraception is hilarious!<br /><br />I don't read a lot of hard fantasy because I can't get past the opening pages describing the beautiful, beautiful heroine and her exciting, exotic lineage, not to mention the freaking crazy-ass names with too many vowels or consonants. But ... people who like their fantasy a certain way must really like it that way!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-23308171107911467682012-03-14T22:07:22.737-06:002012-03-14T22:07:22.737-06:00just completing 'the way of kings', book 1...just completing 'the way of kings', book 1 of brandon sanderson's 'the stormlight archive', at 1252 pages, worth every page... and i'm sure the others will be, as well<br /><br />sanderson is so good, he was tagged to complete robert jordan's 'the wheel of time' series...<br /><br />yeah, read some terry pratchett, l.e. modesitt, patrick rothfuss, and even andre norton, among many others... writer of 'the mists of avalon' being one of the better ones [i forget her name]<br /><br />then there's this canadian [i forget his name, too] picked to co-write, with tolkien's kid, some of what the old man did not have time to complete ...google for his name... another good writer of fantasy<br /><br />quit sniveling, if the book still sucks by page two, it's your fault for not researching the writer before you bought the book - many, like you point out, are shitty<br /><br />give me a break from all the goddamn 'vampire' bullshit - like my sis used to say, 'too much is more than enough'...<br /><br />as for your list, i agree - with most of it....laughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-27399139481180607842012-03-14T20:29:33.559-06:002012-03-14T20:29:33.559-06:00This is one of my favorite posts! LOL. So funny an...This is one of my favorite posts! LOL. So funny and terribly true.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13752019877440100530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-38510814081464915512012-03-14T19:28:37.802-06:002012-03-14T19:28:37.802-06:00That's funny. I think if a single book impleme...That's funny. I think if a single book implemented all 15 of your suggestions it wouldn't be recognizable as fantasy to a lot of people. People want what's familiar, even if they criticize it. Something that ignores so many tropes would probably get a lot of hate from fantasy readers. <br /><br />Unless, or course, it was brilliant. In which case there would be a thousand books just like it within a few weeks on Amazon.Rusty Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09887821877521181811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-41096531942090158572012-03-14T17:58:02.535-06:002012-03-14T17:58:02.535-06:00Nice list. I especially like your call out of Mar...Nice list. I especially like your call out of Martin. I made it to the middle of book 4 before I gave up in frustration. His series is the Twilight of the fantasy genre. Lots of words but most of them are meaningless. I hope HBO has good editors because the further you go into the series the worse it gets.Kevin Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01092721842140433268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-68832331592844996422012-03-14T17:04:44.941-06:002012-03-14T17:04:44.941-06:00Your list is so funny, and I don't even read o...Your list is so funny, and I don't even read or know much about fantasy novels. But it sounds like you could write a funny and compelling "anti-fantasy" fantasy novel.Helenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14967821142796562697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-68533381153287476792012-03-14T16:29:51.880-06:002012-03-14T16:29:51.880-06:00Excellent list! Time for some changes.Excellent list! Time for some changes.Golden Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08721520451194318436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-40587302923299222012-03-14T15:53:04.913-06:002012-03-14T15:53:04.913-06:00I am happy to say that I think you would enjoy my ...I am happy to say that I think you would enjoy my fantasy novels very much. Man healers and women warriors ... check! :)David P. Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17259276981865439853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-58272170513952210882012-03-14T15:50:02.573-06:002012-03-14T15:50:02.573-06:00agree with 1, don't agree with 6 :) We Elven p...agree with 1, don't agree with 6 :) We Elven people are always graceful and elegant :PPPDEZMONDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14127166104359407763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-78630340910508756202012-03-14T15:31:45.526-06:002012-03-14T15:31:45.526-06:00AMEN BROTHA!AMEN BROTHA!T.D. McFrosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12923335522993845076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-30347970023039512382012-03-14T15:30:49.193-06:002012-03-14T15:30:49.193-06:00Great list. I was giggling the entire time.Great list. I was giggling the entire time.Alicia Gregoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06660125614529633284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-14196495319090590952012-03-14T15:23:29.197-06:002012-03-14T15:23:29.197-06:00I get tired of reading about perfect characters al...I get tired of reading about perfect characters all of the time. Why can't they have weight issues? Pimples? Why can't there be a mix of people.M Paxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14096697282530998519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-73459032922879579772012-03-14T14:23:01.455-06:002012-03-14T14:23:01.455-06:00Love the list. You would probably like Tamora Pier...Love the list. You would probably like Tamora Pierce's "Trickster's Choice" and "Trickster's Queen" She tends to avoid most of these blunders in pretty much all of her books. [The villians are usually pretty insane, though.]Callie Leuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535505792102190920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-85728659931991380092012-03-14T14:17:47.075-06:002012-03-14T14:17:47.075-06:00I love this list! Though I wonder if an author did...I love this list! Though I wonder if an author did write a story that bucked several cliches, would the fantasy audience still read it?Philip Siegelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14148279503538324679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-12929433969694008102012-03-14T14:12:32.669-06:002012-03-14T14:12:32.669-06:00Let's hear it for failing heroes! Thanks for t...Let's hear it for failing heroes! Thanks for the much-needed gut-rupturing laughs today, Michael.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-79694368034482289302012-03-14T14:01:19.443-06:002012-03-14T14:01:19.443-06:00Nice list :)
As for #3 - Dwarves must consume lar...Nice list :)<br /><br />As for #3 - Dwarves must consume large quantities of booze. keeps their body temperature up in cold dark mines. Plus, have you ever seen a sober dwarf? Bite your face off., If you're lucky :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02548680159204361401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2495499100279472520.post-766221407527112552012-03-14T13:59:12.567-06:002012-03-14T13:59:12.567-06:00Hey Mike,
This isn't my genre, but I love the...Hey Mike,<br /><br />This isn't my genre, but I love the "venting list"<br /><br />You should start a series... :)Mark Koopmanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03634424953074803816noreply@blogger.com